03796: finehour: player falls into terrain sometimes

ID	Category [?]	Severity [?]	Reproducibility	Date Submitted	Last Update
03796	Gameplay	Major	Sometimes	Mar 26, 2010, 17:28	Nov 28, 2021, 19:54

Tester	Iaspis	View Status	Public	Platform	MAME (Official Binary)
Assigned To		Resolution	Open	OS
Status [?]	Confirmed			Driver	namco/namcos2.cpp
Version	0.137	Fixed in Version		Build
		Fixed in Git Commit		Github Pull Request #

Summary	03796: finehour: player falls into terrain sometimes
Description	In some cases, the player falls into solid ground and disappears for no apparent reason. It has happened to me a couple of times, though I'm not sure how this can be reproduced. Luckily, I was able to take some screenshots.
Steps To Reproduce
Additional Information
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Flags
Regression Version	0.202
Affected Sets / Systems	finehour

Attached Files	0000.png (11,005 bytes) Mar 26, 2010, 17:29
	0001.png (25,860 bytes) Mar 26, 2010, 17:29
	0002.png (21,733 bytes) Mar 26, 2010, 17:29
	finest_hour_cards_j.jpg (503,796 bytes) Nov 28, 2021, 19:53 Uploaded by jkburks Finest Hour Instruction Cards
	finest_hour_cards_e.jpg (746,864 bytes) Nov 28, 2021, 19:54 Uploaded by jkburks Finest Hour Instruction Cards - English

No.05915 Iaspis Tester Mar 26, 2010, 17:34	Also, one can easily notice the glitchy surfaces in screenshots 2 and 3.
No.05916 Haze Senior Tester Mar 27, 2010, 01:32	I've never quite understood if it's meant to represent some kind of '3d' effect, ie, you can go behind things.... The game just seems like they were trying too hard to do sometihng cool, and ended up with something that just seems like a complete mess... I'd be interested in seeing how it runs on a real PCB.
No.05917 Tafoid Administrator Mar 27, 2010, 18:02	True. I'll confirm it, label it possible pending some PCB video or other analysis.
No.05921 Haze Senior Tester Mar 28, 2010, 01:28	pretty sure it's a bug given Kale's other findings... The NS2 driver seems very broken in rather subtle ways.
No.15812 MetalGod Senior Tester Nov 21, 2018, 18:55 edited on: Jul 6, 2019, 18:20	It's a bug. It was previously fixed then broken again. It doesn't ocurr in 0.201. Regression version is mame 0.202 But at the same time, 0.202 fixed 03797 and 07029 of this game (both problems with credits)
No.15815 MetalGod Senior Tester Nov 21, 2018, 19:25 edited on: Nov 21, 2018, 20:20	BTW, I haven't found any pcb video of the game, but I found this video of wii's virtual console version. That "falling into terrain" bug is not present:
No.19501 Fungi66 Tester Nov 27, 2021, 20:18	I discovered that if you go into the service mode(F2) after the game boots then exit(F2 again) it fixes this bug for whatever reason. (see the video) I Haven't played through the whole game though since I'm not a fan of this title, but the game should be playable.
No.19504 Haze Senior Tester Nov 28, 2021, 13:19	does it permanently fix it, or do you have to do this every time you boot? could be a bug if the ram isn't in the expected default state if the game isn't initializing things correctly otherwise.
No.19508 Fungi66 Tester Nov 28, 2021, 19:52	You'll need to do this every time you boot the game to prevent this bug from happening. I also found out that if you flip the screen in the service mode it fixes the bug permanently, but it causes some graphical issues seen below.
No.19509 jkburks Tester Nov 28, 2021, 19:53 edited on: Nov 28, 2021, 19:57	I noticed in the recent Finest Hour livestream that Haze was not using the marker button to select targets. While this game does auto-target the nearest enemy, the middle button lets you cycle through targets when multiple enemies are on the screen. It is probably most useful when selecting which part of a boss to shoot at... Since this game was only released in Japan, the instructions are hard to come by. I will upload photos of the original Japanese cards as well as a simple English translation. I'm not sure if this will make the game any easier to play. The top of the Card says Finest Hour, Destroy the final weapon !! Btw, I have noticed that in addition to the pits you can fall into, sometimes when you fly in the air you will land on an invisible ground plane and be able to walk in the sky. It probably corresponds to the pit below, as if the ground plane coordinates are in the wrong location in that vertical slice of the screen.